Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 106

05/03/2005 08:00 AM House STATE AFFAIRS


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*+ HB 277 GAMBLE-SPERL UAS JOINT USE FACILITY TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+= HB 283 AK HOUSING FINANCE CORP BOARD COMP. TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 283(STA) Out of Committee
+ HB 189 COASTAL MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 189(STA) Out of Committee
+ SB 132 HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 28 MUNICIPAL DIVIDEND PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
SB 132-HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Contains brief mention of HB 202.]                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:39:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  announced that  the  last  order of  business  was                                                               
SENATE  BILL NO.  132(efd fld),  "An Act  relating to  complaints                                                               
filed  with, investigations,  hearings,  and orders  of, and  the                                                               
interest  rate  on  awards  of the  State  Commission  for  Human                                                               
Rights; and making conforming amendments."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:39:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT NORDSTRAND,  Deputy Attorney General (AG),  Civil Division,                                                               
Office of the Attorney General,  Department of Law, introduced SB
132, which he  said is identical to  HB 202.  He  stated that the                                                               
intent  of the  bill  is  to "enhance  the  effectiveness of  the                                                               
Alaska  State  Commission  for   Human  Rights  ...  (ASCHR),  by                                                               
allowing  the  commission  to  evaluate  complaints  of  unlawful                                                               
discrimination  and  to  allocate its  resources  to  prosecuting                                                               
those complaints  that will best  serve the commission's  goal of                                                               
eliminating unlawful  discrimination."  The bill  would:  improve                                                               
commission  procedures,   enhance  the  fairness   of  commission                                                               
procedures,  clarify  what the  commission  may  award to  remedy                                                               
unlawful discrimination, and make some housekeeping changes.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NORDSTRAND  said the  bill  would  enhance the  commission's                                                               
effectiveness  by allowing  it  to be  more  selective about  the                                                               
cases it prosecutes.  The  executive director would be authorized                                                               
to choose  the complaints of  unlawful discrimination  that merit                                                               
pursuit, based on:  strength  of evidence, severity of violation,                                                               
employer's history  before the commission, and  complaint's value                                                               
in establishing precedence.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. NORDSTRAND mentioned the Department  of Fish & Game v. Meyer,                                                             
a  case  which required  the  director  to  take to  hearing  any                                                               
complaints   supported  by   substantial  evidence   of  unlawful                                                               
discrimination, without  regard to  such factors as  the weakness                                                               
of the  evidence or  the strength  of the  employer's affirmative                                                               
offenses.  He  indicated that SB 132 would reverse  the effect of                                                               
that case.   The  bill would  allow a  complainant to  withdraw a                                                               
complaint  before the  accusation is  served, but  would preserve                                                               
the executive  director's right  to file  a complaint  on his/her                                                               
own if he/she  disagrees with the complainant's  withdrawal.  The                                                               
bill would also  improve commission procedures.   It would permit                                                               
agreements  during the  prehearing  - or  conciliation phase,  as                                                               
it's called in statute - to compromise damaged claims.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:42:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NORDSTRAND  reviewed the  process  undergone  when a  person                                                               
believes  he/she has  been discriminated  against.   He explained                                                               
that  once there  is a  finding of  substantial evidence,  that's                                                               
when the  phase called conciliation  begins, which is  an attempt                                                               
to  settle a  case  amicably  between parties.    If  there is  a                                                               
failure of  conciliation, then the  executive director  tells the                                                               
commission  that  it  is  necessary to  go  forward  with  formal                                                               
procedures.  He  offered further details, including  the steps of                                                               
a discovery process and a hearing  before a hearing examiner.  He                                                               
reiterated  the effect  that the  Department  of Fish  & Game  v.                                                             
Meyer case had.  He noted  that the claims under the Human Rights                                                             
Act can  either be brought to  the commission or to  the superior                                                               
court, thus, if  someone brings a claim, he/she would  have to be                                                               
subjected to  the test of summary  judgment.  He added,  "Now, as                                                               
it stands, in the Human Rights Commission, you don't."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[CHAIR SEATON turned the gavel over to Vice Chair Gatto.]                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:47:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  spoke of the nuances  between the civil                                                               
and prosecutorial aspects of the Human  Rights Act.  He asked Mr.                                                               
Nordstrand to provide the committee with  a marked up copy of the                                                               
aforementioned case.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:50:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NORDSTRAND summarized that the intent  of the bill is to give                                                               
the commission  the ability to  direct its resources in  the best                                                               
way to alleviate the greatest  amount of discrimination possible.                                                               
It  would   also  allow  a   procedure  to  be  followed   if  an                                                               
investigation  is lacking  in substantial  evidence, which  would                                                               
serve  as a  check on  the  executive director's  authority.   He                                                               
offered an  example.  He  said the commission has  concerns about                                                               
that because of the associated workload.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:51:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  GATTO said no  one knows what the  term "substantial"                                                               
means.   He stated,  "We're just  trying to figure  out a  way to                                                               
keep the door from swinging  open every time somebody nudges it."                                                               
He  opined that  it's impossible  to reach  a standard  where any                                                               
possibility of discrimination can be denied.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:52:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NORDSTRAND said  he thinks  that's  true.   He continued  as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     What  we've  essentially  done is  recognized  that  we                                                                    
     can't  really  fix  the substantial  evidence  problem.                                                                    
     ... We  could try to  come up  with new words,  but new                                                                    
     words wouldn't  make it clearer.   So, what  we've done                                                                    
     is we've said, "If  there's substantial evidence - this                                                                    
     lowest standard of evidence -  the door can swing open,                                                                    
     but there  are reasons  why the executive  director may                                                                    
     choose not  to go  forward anyway."   And  we've listed                                                                    
     those  criteria   ...:    If  [there   is]  substantial                                                                    
     evidence,  okay,   go  forward.    But   the  executive                                                                    
     director  could   say,  for  example,   "This  person's                                                                    
     refusal to settle for a  fair sum is unreasonable.  And                                                                    
     we're not going to use  the state's resources to go any                                                                    
     further when ...  a fair settlement is  $5,000 and they                                                                    
     say, 'I ... won't settle for less than [$50,000].'"                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     As the  system stands  now, ...  it's not  costing that                                                                    
     person  to go  forward  ....   So,  there's  sort of  a                                                                    
     disincentive to settle, in  some sense, because usually                                                                    
     the farther  along in  the process  you go,  the higher                                                                    
     the settlement offer gets,  because the cost associated                                                                    
     with  going  forward increased.    And  so, this  is  a                                                                    
     recognition   that  as   a  check   to  that   kind  of                                                                    
     motivation,  the executive  director has  to be  a fair                                                                    
     judge  of   what  should  go   forward  and   what  ...                                                                    
     [shouldn't].                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. NORDSTRAND directed  attention to a handout  in the committee                                                               
packet that shows a comparison of  SB 132 with last year's Senate                                                               
Bill 354.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:54:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  noted  that   he,  Chair  Seaton,  and                                                               
Representative Lynn spent  a fair amount of time  on [Senate Bill                                                               
354].                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:54:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NORDSTRAND  stated  that,  in  addition  to  the  procedural                                                               
changes,  the  bill  also  would  enhance  the  fairness  of  the                                                               
commission's   procedures   by    requiring   "charges   in   the                                                               
accusation."  He explained that  the complaint is what the person                                                               
brings  to the  commission  and signs.    The accusation  happens                                                               
after  that; it  clarifies the  charge against  the person.   The                                                               
bill  would require  that charges  in the  accusation -  that the                                                               
executive director  issues after  deciding to pursue  a complaint                                                               
to  hearing -  be based  upon an  investigators determination  of                                                               
substantial evidence.  He offered further details.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:56:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR  GATTO  asked  that   Mr.  Nordstrand  come  back  on                                                               
Thursday.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[SB 132 was heard and held.]                                                                                                    

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